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 No.481725[Reply]

there is not one reason why i should help them or make their life easier. they generalize and exagerate about every government on earth ever. they lie through their teeth as natural as as they breath. they take advantage of the progressive zeitgeist that happen in society. they take advantage of everybody lying about nation/tribe/etc that are againts the libtard view of the world. they take advantage of people not caring but still having the drive to bully the non-"""normie""" part of society. not a single healthy society from the stone age up to now allow them to speak. THEY SHOULD BE ROPED!!!! when we have a new hammer&sickle revolution they should- no- MUST! THEY MUST BE ROPED!!!!
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 No.481951

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>>481725
The world was better before SJW.
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 No.482200

>>481951
So just to be clear: "class reductionism" is a word that feds made up, doesn't exist and politics focused on gender and race are called identity politics and are counter-revolutionary, did I get that right? I just want to know that I'm not crazy for believing this.
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 No.482206

>>481951
>>482200
That's RIGHT!!!!
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 No.482223

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>>482200
Das right, uyghur. The core of identarism (= "racism", "sexism", "ageism", "ableism", "classism" ("people of means") & so on) is social division cringed on inherent characteristics of individuals & specific groups & subsequent ruling over the unleashed societal chaos. The more chaos is there @ the bottom, the more order there is @ the top.
If they like to tug the rope so much, let them do that with their actually fucking privileged necks. They do not want to dismantle the system of killing alienation, they only want to better their own positions in it by means of societal discrimination, & therefore they are the most rabid pro-system anticommunists of our times since they are the middle class of the present world.

>>481725
They are not persons, they are system-serving fascists.
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 No.482302

>>482223
>classifying 'billionaire' as a slur
Good. This is funny and provocative.


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 No.482164[Reply]

So, Saudi Arabia is ditching the prtodollar. Isn't that wild?
What does /leftypol/ make of this one?
Thoughts? Feelings? What's going on?
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 No.482188

Things have been set in motion that can't be turned back now. A big question I'd like answered is whether or not Modern Monetary Theory still applies when you're no longer the world's currency hegemon.


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 No.482189

>>482188
>Things have been set in motion that can't be turned back now.
Technically the US could do a massive political shift away from militarism towards civilian production of goods, and then the rest of the world would try to buy those goods and the Dollar exodus would reverse. The US has a lot of natural resources, a large workforce and a lot of high tech know how that makes this possible. The probability of that happening is somewhat low. The more likely outcome is that no significant political shift occurs and the currently gradual Dollar exodus will go on for a while, but as more and more feedback mechanisms kick in it'll begin to accelerate and follow the curve of an inverted logistical distribution.

>A big question I'd like answered is whether or not Modern Monetary Theory still applies when you're no longer the world's currency hegemon.

Yes and No. The value theory parts of MMT were never correct, regardless of the currency hegemony status. The political application of MMT can still work. Specifically the public sector economy can print money to hire every last employment-excluded citizen as long as those people are instructed to do productive labor (in the strict Marxist definition) and there would be no resulting increase in inflation. There are some caveats, this assumes the US chooses a geo-political path of a managed de-dollarization with a soft-landing. If they continue down the path of ramping up militarism, currency wars and trade wars it'll cause a hard landing with significant inflation pressure, that would make MMT schemes more difficult.
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 No.482197

>>482189
Controlling inflation is as simple as a government-mandated price freeze. The US itself has done it at least twice in history. Inflation isn't controlled, or rather, is actively sought out, because it's a policy to keep workers desperate and difficult to organize.
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 No.482208

The best way to beat inflation long-term is by controlling inflation in land prices - IE taxing the shit out of land speculation so that it becomes unprofitable and land prices drop.
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 No.482214

>>482197
>>482208
So you want to take on big real estate hedge funds like Blackrock ? What's your "game-plan" for doing that ?


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 No.482116[Reply]

Our society is organized by identity. We have systems that recognize somebodies identity and that grants/denies access to powers and resources. While that mostly works, we might be able to do better. I propose as an alternative that we organize around deeds instead, and have systems recognize actions rather than identities.

History of identities
Early tribal societies used identities and lineages to prevent inbreeding. In slave societies identity was used to keep track of slaves. And in feudal societies identities were used to attach hereditary political power to people. Identity also served persecution alot, for example: which hunting, or in ww2 the Nazis holocausting the Jews. States use identity to attempt to conscript-nap people and force them to wage wars.

Anonymity
This is what enabled many slaves to free them selves. It is what enabled many Jews to evade the extermination camps. It also is necessary for democracy, because votes have to be anonymous in order to prevent coerced votes. Anonymity became a political value during the beginning of the bourgeois revolutions, and are conceptually based on early cities where masses of people had to cooperate without being able to know everybody.

examples for proof of deed, recognize action instead of identity
We already use some systems that recognize action but not identity. For example when you buy a ticket for amusement rides, the ticket grants you access by proving that you payed for the ride, and there is no need to recognize your identity. Voting systems can also work entirely without identity, people vote anonymously, then stick their thumb into a die that stains the skin for a few days and prevents voting more than once.

Political intentions
Proof of deed systems are better at enabling rewards for beneficial actions, while proof of identity systems skew a lot more towards punishment. Proof of deed systems are less easily abused for persecution. Identities also get abused to establish aristocratic domination (privilege for me and burden for thee). So less persecution, more fairness and motivation by the carrot rather than the stick.

A society of the deed would be anonymous safe for interpersonal relations, and perhaps counter-intuitively also more orderly, since it operates on actions directly. One would have to try it out to know for sure.
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 No.482134

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holy hell nig next you're going to tell me that objective truth doesn't exist you Machfag
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 No.482148

>>482134
>objective truth doesn't exist
>Mach
Where do see that in the opening post ?

Why do you think this proposal would philosophically break with materialism and a conception of objective reality ?
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 No.482150

>>482148
Ok I re-read your op. I thought that you were suggesting that systems of identification drove historical development instead of relations of production.
Is your post instead about information technology? I'm confused about the applications of 'deed actions'. If there were to be incentives for a public program it would need financing whether that be in money or labor time. If that's the case then a coupon only system would shut an organizing party out of doing analytics which would be important for evaluating success outside of a raw number of times a program was accessed. What would be the benefit?
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 No.482161

>>482150
>I thought that you were suggesting that systems of identification drove historical development instead of relations of production.
No, i just added the historic bits for context.
>Is your post instead about information technology?
I suppose it would also have an effect on that as well, to be honest i haven't thought that far ahead. I ranted about bio-metrics because i think that it is foolish, and this was just another opportunity to bring that up.
>I'm confused about the applications of 'deed actions'.
You are going too fast, I'm not yet thinking about applications, to me this is in the stage where we think about the philosophy of organizing principles. Most of our current systems of organizing, at the most fundamental level begin with detecting the identity of people interacting with it. I think it's possible that we might do better with systems that center on detecting actions instead of identities. Conceptually the next thought would be to figure out all the ways to recognize an action.
>If there were to be incentives for a public program it would need financing whether that be in money or labor time.
Not yet, i think we would have to begin experimenting in a setting where the stakes are lower. I think this is a very novel idea and it will require trial and error to get a bearing on what works and what doesn't.
>If that's the case then a coupon only system would shut an organizing party out of doing analytics which would be important for evaluating success outside of a raw number of times a program was accessed. What would be the benefit?
This is a reasonable starting point. A coupon for a deed, that would be a system that centers on recognizing actions. Obviously that won't be sufficient. The coupon system would fall short in many ways. Once you collected experience, you can formulate additional structures to compensate for those shortcomings. Figuring this out would be a process. It's not going to be just one mechanism, it'll be multiple ones working in concert.


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 No.480629[Reply]

I have been banned from leftypol.org for saying, that you can be a leftist and also oppose trans-ideology. This is not a fringe position, since Sahra Wagenknecht openly voiced her opposition against trans-ideology in the german parliament live on TV. And yes, she calls it that way.
I'm interested, how this site here will react to left-conservative opinions.
https://www.sahra-wagenknecht.de/de/article/3336.ihr-gesetz-macht-eltern-und-kinder-zu-versuchskaninchen-der-pharmaindustrie.html
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 No.482154

>>482149
The Arabs/Muslims were never part of the "Israeli" project and have no reason to ever want to be part of such a beast. Political purges imply that standing members of the party are beholden to the party. You can't fight City Hall as a subject.

The Palestinians have always refused to be subjects, and only regard the Entity so far as they must abide something monstrously evil to get the Zionist to go away. "Purge" implies that there was any friendship of the political sort between them. You would not speak of purging society except by institutions which can claim the minds and souls of everyone against their will. That would be religion, except the participants here follow very different religions that are diametrically opposed and know this. So there is one way for purging to work - schools, and mind control efforts.
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 No.482155

>>482153
The challenges of purges are that political officers see a purge as something they must prevent to save themselves, and purges are only possible with loyal officers. Stalin cannot personally purge 50 gorillion Russians with his bare hands - that's not how it went down, and purges are never led by imperious will. They are led by factions within a party, against rival factions and through institutions that were under the command of political officers. Every general in an army knows who their bosses are, and the dangers of becoming their own boss if they think about history for five minutes.
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 No.482156

>>482152
>The Nazi MO is that only members of their club were "real".
The internal loyalty in Fascist political formations wasn't that great, they did a lot of back-stabbing.
>The point of the Nazis was to maximize the thrill of torture
From the perspective of the sadistic assholes they enlisted perhaps, but from a historic perspective fascism would appear to be national suicide on behalf of the most powerful capitalists. In WW2 you could see Germany being sacrificed to damage the Soviet Union. Japan in a way was sacrificed too, they could have surrendered to China or the Soviets, which would have spared them a lot of US Areal bombardment with fire bombs and of course the 2 nukes.

>when dealing with actual enemies, the Nazis were lazy and ineffectual

There is a history of fascists choosing bad strategy, so i'll give you ineffectual, but lazy ? I don't think so.

>The people the Nazis purged were poor people who did nothing to them except look unsightly and fail to fit into their race-faggotry.

Interesting thought, however the top figures in the Nazi movements were not attractive or "well put together". The Nazi movie villains tend to have a particular fashion style, but if you look at actual historic pictures, not so much.

>as long as they had someone to kick down, they were safe - until they were not.

Yeah it does look like Fascism creates these sacrificial hierarchies.
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 No.482157

>>482153
>For our personal political affairs, purging the Satanic is simple - we simply do not allow them inroads into life ever again, and destroy any insinuation the moment it starts. This would require a social engineering strategy working against the dominant one. That is - we would be declaring war against this society.

Declaring war against society seems like bad advice tho. For successful mass politics you have to divert most of your efforts towards elevating the beneficial things, obviously some effort has to be diverted to prevent wreckers from derailing the political goals, but that can not be the priority.
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 No.482158

>>482155
>The challenges of purges are that political officers see a purge as something they must prevent to save themselves, and purges are only possible with loyal officers. Stalin cannot personally purge 50 gorillion Russians
Reasonably unbiased historians estimated that Stalin's purges affected between 1800 and 3000 people during his roughly 30 year in political office. I'm not going to judge the morality of that, because those were a very different times and i don't know how to weigh things like facing an existential struggle in the world wars, nearly a century removed from that.

I'm only looking at this from the point of view of political strategy. Take for example a few years ago that situation in Venezuela, where that CIA-guido tried to usurp the Maduro government. Maduro could have cracked down hard, because of attempted sedition and treason, but he did no such thing, eventually the wrecker just faded into obscurity. That's what we want.


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 No.481087[Reply]

What are we to do with the ever-increasing agespan of adolescence?
This is a serious problem in the first and second world.
Why is it normalised to waste away your teens and twenties (AND THIRTIES!!!) in quiet despair and zero technical skills?

Generation X and Millennials have normalised mediocrity in youth.
They even say worldly exposure/attributes in youth are elitist.
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 No.481670

>>481668
I understand that the capitalists did universal education because they needed more educated workers, and a place to store the children while parents wage-slaved. But that doesn't make it a bad thing, the Soviets and all the other socialist projects did the same thing, they also send children to school.

However I'm willing to hear you out on what you think Marx wanted and how it differs from what capitalism did.
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 No.481672

>>481670
Marx said children should start working st age nine and be given moderate hours
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 No.481673

>>481672
In the 18 hundreds children often began working in the fields or factories when they were six years old and often had to work long shifts.

I can't be bother to check if your assertion is true.
So if Marx suggested to raise the work-force entry-age to 9 years as well as reducing the hours to "moderate" , that would make him somebody who sought to reduce child-labor, relative to the usual praxis of his time.
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 No.481707

>>481673
regardless I think kids should be involved in theprocess of industriaility.

Adults accuse kids of being lazy leeches but ban kids from the real world.

Also, academic skills dont mean shit in the real world.
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 No.482101

I think this needs to be discussed more.
People complain about ableism amd ageism but then talks about "brain development" as an excuse to disqualify young people from worldly affairs.


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 No.478779[Reply]

https://committeetounleashprosperity.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Them-vs-Us_CTUP-Rasmussen-Study-FINAL.pdf



The survey is a first-of-its-kind look at the views of the American Elite – defined as people having at least one post-graduate degree, earning at least $150,000 annually, and living in high-population density areas (more than 10,000 people per square mile in their zip code) – and compares them to what the average American thinks. The Elites represent 1% of the U.S. population but have an outsized voice on public policy in the United States, with their views seeming somehow to dominate the national conversation. This may be because it is the Elites themselves who determine what that conversation will be about on campus, in the legacy media, and corporate board rooms. Not surprisingly, these people talk about politics far more than most Americans. The data show that nearly a third of them (30%) talk about politics daily or almost every day. Just 9% of the voting public do. It is worth noting that members of the Elites who talk about politics daily have views that are even further removed from the opinions of the voting public. This is true even when the Elites self-identify as Republicans. They typically may be more conservative than Elite Democrats but they still have attitudes and opinions that are far removed from those of the typical American voter. The Elite class – regardless of party – is an exclusive club that sees and experiences America through a different lens than ordinary Americans.

These results confirm what people have long suspected: today, there are two Americas. One is wealthier, more highly educated, and attended the best schools. They put much more trust in big government “to do the right thing” and, by their own admission, benefit from more expansive government policies. They have also been hurt far less by the high inflation of the Biden presidency than those who live from paycheck to paycheck and are in the lower and middle classes.

This Grand Canyon-sized chasm between where every day Americans stand on the state of the country, expanding government power, draconian climate change solutions, and Joe Biden’s job performance may partly explain the Donald Trump phenomenon and his high approval ratings among working-class voters,Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.478794

>>478792
stay in your own thread schizo
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 No.479313

ffs upload .pdf
Not hard
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 No.481964

>>478794
It's a pretty accurate take, if you don't or can't read just ignore it.
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 No.481971

>>481964
>necrobumping to defend schizospammer
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 No.482225

>>481971
>seethe so hard you forget about sage


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 No.481884[Reply]

Kevin Reed
06/03/2024

The collapse of the water infrastructure in Atlanta, Georgia, that began on Friday and left a large section of the city without any water expanded on Sunday with two more ruptures being investigated by water department officials.

The Atlanta Journal Constitution reported Sunday that the water department warned residents and businesses near Euclid and North Avenues northeast of downtown and near 1190 Atlantic Drive NW north of downtown. It said that they will likely “experience the kinds of disruptions that have plagued Atlanta since the first water main break was discovered Friday.”

Atlanta Mayor Andre Dickens declared a state of emergency in the city at a press conference on Saturday night after the massive disruption of water service resulted in a boil water advisory from the City of Atlanta Department of Watershed Management. Dickens said the city was “working around the clock to bring us safe drinking water in the city of Atlanta.”

The water main collapse that shut down water service in all of downtown Atlanta began after corroded 48-inch and 36-inch pipes burst sometime on Friday at an intersection of three primary water lines in the city. The City of Atlanta released a map showing a large area across the city that has been impacted by the collapse.

Hours went by before the city made any announcements about what was happening or when the water would be restored. The city’s Water Service Interruptions Map identifies the locations where the breaks occurred and simply says, “Crews are investigating a potential water main break …” with no further information.

The water main failure impacted Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, Fulton County and Atlanta government facilities and the Mercedes-Benz Stadium and the State Farm Arena. High-rise apartment buildings were also left with no water pressure.

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 No.481893

>>481892
True! But spending a bunch on basic infrastructure maintenance and expansion is, like, expensive!
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 No.481894

>>481893
Waterlines and sewers is the type of infrastructure that works nearly flawlessly in non-failed states. The US is supremely rich, it's a faulty priority problem, not one of expense.
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 No.481920

>>481891
its made for phones so the paragraphs are small
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 No.481925

Atlanta water seems to be back on after 5 days. We'll see.


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 No.480458[Reply]

We are Leftypedia, a socialist and left-wing online encyclopedia.

If you’re a leftist of any kind or considering becoming one, you’ve probably found truthful information about socialist ideologies and movements from websites like Wikipedia lacking at best.

These days, genuine leftist ideology can be hard to get into and learn about, between the toxic culture that dominates online leftist spaces and the many issues faced by even offline socialist organizations. Reading theory-dense works from Marx can be hard at first, and the easily-accessible guides targeted at beginners often don’t even understand the work their talking about themselves!

So, what’s the solution?

A dedicated socialist resource, like Leftypedia.

We aspire for new leftists to be given an environment where original discourse is encouraged on top of sourced and informative encyclopedic articles

Since our beginning in 2019, we have hundreds of articles, dozens of editors, and a growing community and base of content.

We’re well on our way of reaching our goals, and welcome any leftist or incoming-leftist to view and editor our articles, carry out original discourse, and so on!
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 No.480474

I said it before and I'll say it again: what have you done to correct Wikipedia's and other wikis' fundamentally flawed self-governance structure? How are you going to avoid eventually become another embarrassing rationalwiki or conservapedia?
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 No.481845

>>480474
they kept everyone from editing recently and now moderate every edit

they also mass import Wikipedia content, use Wikipedia rules to disqualify content, and more or less just want to make an extension of Wikipedia

They also are a result of a prior failed leftypedia and are just borrowing server space as they say they have no interest in being a leftypol wiki

think it's run by a couple prolewiki people
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 No.481864

>>481845
So how do you do a collective knowledge repository thing correctly ?
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 No.481865

>>481845
>>481864
I wanna know too
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 No.481866

>>481845
what a conspiracy theory, mark


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 No.481695[Reply]

https://farside.link/invidious/watch?v=Z7n6kl-tLjY

Assange wins his appeal against extradition
But he's not out of the woods yet.
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 No.481836

>>481829
If Assange dies, he becomes a martyr, Journalism-Jesus.

>they seemed to be trying to kill him indirectly through mistreatment.

Yeah the neocons got away with this because they used to be competent managers of empire.
But their cold war 2.0 project will likely flop hard, and that means they'll get the torture privileges revoked.
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 No.481838

>>481829
I don't think there's any desire to kill him anymore. They're accomplishing their goal just fine torturing him for the rest of his life. It sends the same chilling message to would-be whistleblowers and journalists.
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 No.481851

>>481838
Absolute monarchs used to torture their critics too, it did not help them stay in power. They might have traded embarrassment of whistleblower revelations for something much worse. The concept of making the state compliant to criticism wasn't a naive aspirational virtue, it was a shrewd strategical adaptation after absolute monarchies broke down. What they have done is preserve the position of some careerists at the expense of institutional integrity.

People who are competent and want to get stuff done, seek out organizations that are benevolent and likely to illicit voluntary cooperation from others. Malevolent organizations are sought by bullies that want to get away with bullying.

Assange was very mindful to not release information that could do serious damage, by exercising revenge, they may have incentivized the next guy to do as much damage as possible as to destroy the ability to take revenge. Keep in mind that they did send a message, but it wasn't interpreted uniformly. Intimidation may elicit compliance by some, but to others it signals weakness.

Investigative journalism was never a detriment to state-power. It kept the base and the superstructure in alignment, damaging journalism was foolish and bad statecraft.

Like when Blinken blamed social media and implies
<when we controlled the media we could do genocide in peace.
He doesn't seem to understand the causal connection. People turned away from mainstream media first in order for alternatives to become possible. If they hadn't gone down the drain, people wouldn't have tuned out.
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 No.481855

>>481851
>Assange was very mindful to not release information that could do serious damage
Here's what actually happened with the Iraq War Logs: Assange was up for several days redacting before release to avoid information that might get informants killed, and then some worms at The Guardian published a book with the password to the unredacted files. This prompted Cryptome (which doesn't believe in redacting leaks) to release the entire set of files unredacted, to which Wikileaks responded by removing the (now pointless) redactions on their own releases. That's only the story for the Iraq War Logs. I'm not aware of any redaction done to later Wikileaks releases, and you better believe the Vault7 leaks were damaging as fuck to the CIA. It's what prompted them to plot assassination and eventually forced Assange out of the embassy.
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 No.481856

>>481855
>Assange was up for several days redacting before release to avoid information that might get informants killed.
So even if shit got out later, Assange clearly acted in good faith.

>and you better believe the Vault7 leaks were damaging as fuck to the CIA.

Idk, a public release is far from the worst scenario. The CIA gets to see that too and realize what's compromised, and likely react fast enough to do a lot of damage controle. If somebody wanted to inflict more damage they would release the information that compromises operational security to the CIA's opponents but not the public.

>It's what prompted them to plot assassination and eventually forced Assange out of the embassy.

IMHO going after Assange was not rational, it confirmed the accuracy of the information, the rational thing to do was to deny that the released information was authentic. As a spy agency the best thing is secrecy, the second best thing is ambiguity.


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 No.480073[Reply]

What made old /leftypol/ good?

Pull examples from the archives, the booru, wherever and whatever. Hell, even just tell a story.

Was it the PDFs? Was it the artists making memes? Was it people's willingness to repost them? Was it the raids and antics? Was it the people who brought esoteric niche history and theory to light? Was it the crazy Trump election drama and racial uprisings in the US? Was it the proximity to all kinds of communities, with all of 8ch coming in to give their shit opinions and getting dogpilled into submission?
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 No.481067

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>>480073
>What made old /leftypol/ good?
not being an anal echo-chamber where unaccountable leftoid jannoid cliques run amok

being a part of the wider 8chan community, having a higher authority at least with some pretense of neutrality, that could reign jannoids in in case they go nuclear

userbase won by pitting leftoid jannoids against 8chan administartion, by them constantly being at each others throats

the moment jannoid bitches conspired (as they always do) to forcefully move the userbase to their controlled echo-chamber, I saw the writing on the wall

I saw everything in that moment, all the shit jannoid drama, all the cringe, all the splits

I predicted EXACTLY what would happen

I wish 8chan was still alive. 8chan was what made leftypol so great. If 8chan didn't go down, jannoids would've failed, and bunkerchan would've remained a barren wasteland that nobody cares about.
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 No.481068

>>480088
fucking vanguardoid conspiratoid bitch

first as tragedy (Soviet Union), then as farce (leftypol)
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 No.481080

>>481067
You're a fucking retard bro
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 No.481083

>>481080
nah, I'm actually very smart
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 No.481830

>>480073
no chan was ever that great

but old leftypol was better because there were OC memes that weren't cringe


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