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 No.2975[Reply]

Hume established criteria for good taste. However, criteria for good taste says nothing about criteria for good art. So what then is the criteria for good art, the seeming elephant in the room left unaddressed in the realm of aesthetics? How can you call something good art if you cannot even define what is good art?
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 No.2976

This is just my initial thoughts, but the way I see it there are 2 dimensions of which to asses art. The rational, and the irrational (I may come up with better terms later), the rational is the analyzing of artistic skills. On one side of the spectrum, a virtuosic musician who's music is theoretically genius but doesn't sound 'good', i.e. unless you are versed in the musical medium it is impossible for you to 'understand' how it is impressive.
The other, irrational, is how it makes you feel. I enjoy some abstract paintings because they make me feel a certain way, regardless of whether or not 'my 4 year old could have done that', it provokes a certain emotion in me, that is usually tied to memories and such. An extreme version of this is a pop song that is very catchy and fun, even if you hate what it stands for and can see it is only 4 very basic chords.
So there is no such thing as good art, but I think art can enter a certain goldilocks zone where it combines rational and irrational properties in an artistic way. I think a prime example of this would be Van Gogh, probably the most loved painter in the western world. The marriage of 'aesthetic' beauty with artistic skill.
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 No.3615

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Don't know, anon.
But Technical skill comes into it, as this video with Tracey Emin suggests. (She's talking about the fine arts in it; even though she became famous for the unmade bed exhibit, she seems to suggest that a grounding in the fine arts first is necessary to consider yourself an artist. .)
https://youtu.be/7utbB8A_Rt4
I don't really agree with that myself. The unmade bed's status as art (or not) shouldnt be affected by unrelated artistic training.

The radical feminist Helen Lewis suggests good art is art in which the medium is the message :
&ltIf there is anything I have learned from the writer and director Robert Icke, it’s that the medium is the message. A play about identity should play with identity. A play about the truth should question whether what we are seeing is the truth. A play about justice should ask us to judge.
&ltForm and content are two sides of the same coin
https://helenlewis.substack.com/?utm_campaign=pub&utm_medium=web&utm_source=copy

The effect on the viewer of art consumer is probably the most important thing. Art should probably take you out of yourself, expand your horizons in some way, and do this through an aesthetic medium .
But there should be some lasting impression on you of something profounder than ordinary life, otherwise it's just a means to kill time, entertainment.
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 No.3617

i think before thinking about what is good art you've gotta decide what 'art' even is to you, whats excluded from that category and what is fundamental to it, etc.
And whether or not you want to just define the word or define the idea…
Colloquailly art refers to shit like paintings and statues that are meant to be looked at, almost in contrast to their surrounding environments which are not meant to be looked at? And so we get a urinal or a bed can be art if it's in a setting where you look at things and try to find their beauty or meaning. But is a house art? Does that depend on the intention of the architect, or what?
So anyways im kind of bored of that kind of art honestly. There's so much more beauty and inspiration in different mediums other than the small, visual, single-person projects that characterize what i think is usually called art. A great landscape, a great event, a beautiful life, a village, etc. But these arent all created with intent, or with the intent of inspiring, and they are often able to be interacted with. I'd so much prefer a world of beauty embodied in our surroundings and lives and culture than something to hang on the wall (or god forbid only see on a screen while trolling for "art" on some website) or put in the garden. So fuck art as dualism, you end up with an ugly world and pretty little trivialities.

That said, what is good art? who knows, why does it even need to be formulated? I think its just something that satisfies our tastes, like how good food is what satisfies your tastes. It's totally subjective and can change, like when you crave a piece of good fish and you eat it and its great, it was great food, but later you might eat it and its just acceptable, not great and not bad. And then some things obviously are repulsive. Is there actually a better way of defining how something meant to please the senses is good other than how well it pleases them? There's technical skill, but if the skill doesnt translate to how pleasing the product is, then i think its not relevant, and at best it might just be a sort of pointless middle-man criteria.
But also what is pleasing isnt always warm of comforting, a HUGE axis for something seeming aesthetical and pleasing i think is that it does its purpose well, or embodies its own qualities in some inspiring way. I think of like the almost universal attraction to animals in their wild habitat. Part of it is maybe this fetishistic attitude that sees themPost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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 No.3611[Reply]

Can someone get me this? I'm getting copyright blocked and cant find it anywhere.

Bellu, E. "The Dialectical Significance of Chemistry in the Works of Fr. Engels." Revue roumaine des sciences sociales: serie de philosophie et logique 17 (1973): 163-169.

Bellu, E. The Dialectical Significance of Chemistry in the Work of Friedrich Engels. Romanian Journal of Social Sciences Philosophy and Logic Series, Volume 17, 1973, 163-169.

https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000494736
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 No.3612

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Looks ridiculously hard to find, the closest library I could find that collected that journal was several thousand kilometers from me and stopped their subscription to that journal a decade before that paper

If you specifically need that paper you're probably going to have to travel to your closest major library and hassle the librarians there to get a cross institutional copy

.pdf attached might be an acceptable substitute for your purposes maybe?
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 No.3613

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>>3612
Thanks for trying. I already read that one actually, and the two others google scholar has that also cite Bellu E. They are tangentially related, that one is mostly about the authors interest in synergetics, but I'm more interested in Dialectics and Chemistry alone specifically.

I can search hathitrust articles with a guest account and it throws back a result so I think theres a digital copy there, and its searchable in english.


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 No.3532[Reply]

It seems like the Democrats have done a great job of pinkwashing their party, the amount of Gays I see worshipping any Dem candidate–including Biden, who supported both DADT and DOMA, is entirely annoying.

Why are Lesbians, Transbians, Trans*, and Bisexuals so much more radical overall than gay men? What's the issue?

I see so many LBTQ+ people in socialist groups like FRSO or anarchist collectives but my fellow gays would rather hole up in bars or form Stonewall caucuses to support homophobic democrats.
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 No.3533

Just some theories from a straighto, pinch of salt is implied. I would assume the privellege associated with being male in a patriarchal society. Trans people are such outcasts that their ideology must be radical, and we know how society feels about women's sexuality.
Also no kids so they are more aligned with the ruling class because of the financial status it puts them in. I would guess lesbians are more likely to adopt and have higher emotional intelligence.
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 No.3534

makes sense. I actually meant to post this in /leftypol/ and forgot I was browsing /edu/

It's really too bad that most gays dont realize that we're still oppressed. I don't think I've met a single cisgay man who was communist
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 No.3551

As a fag I may have some insight. Gay men were very radical from the 60's to the AIDS crisis to DADT and other issues. The wealthy, white gay men that make up the Human Rights Campaign/LAMBDA Legal etc defanged the gay movement by promoting assimilation in the form of gay marriage, corporate wokeness/IDpol, and perpetuating the myth that gay men were all high-income DINKS that could be marketed to. In reality, there are more Gay men in poverty as a percentage than straight men. That is why today you see Goldman Sachs and Raytheon pride floats these days.

Now that gay marriage is legal and being fired for being gay is not (well…they can make any other excuse to fire you) the wealthy cis white gay man is entirely driven by class interests instead of fearing of being persecuted or dying of a horrific incurable disease now that PREP is widespread. So now you have out and wealthy iBankers, Lawyers, Techies, etc that have a class interest in keeping their status and mainstream Gay culture, in my opinion, is heavily focuses on looks, muscules, status, and income so it makes sense for them to not be radical but still pay lip service to social liberalism by going to pride parades and fundraising for Mayor Pete, who is the apotheosis of the neoliberal gay PMC.
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 No.3591

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Gayanon here. I've met plenty but I agree with this post >>3551

Also, the fact that radical politics is going to appeal more to people who are socially oppressed would explain why there are so many trans people in the mix, but I think they're also more of a visible minority while gay men at this point have kind of blended in somewhat. In terms of gay left-wing radicals online with some degree of visibility, I'm thinking of Matthijs Krul (a.k.a. McCaine) who wrote one of the best articles on Nazi Germany that I've read:

http://mccaine.org/2010/03/12/what-was-nazi-germany/

I don't know him, he lives in a completely different country, but he has a reading list that I also use personally.

http://mccaine.org/2012/11/02/a-communism-reading-list/

I think the descriptions of gay culture's petit-bourgeois pathologies ITT are very accurate. But I also really like aspects of culture like the music and entertainment side of the house:

https://youtu.be/E4SNXUM0X4A


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 No.3579[Reply]

I'm looking for Marinetti's Mafarka the Futurist novel but I cannot find it anywhere. I've searched libgen and archive (dot) org but I didn't find an English translation. Can anyone post a copy or at least a link to it?


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 No.1621[Reply]

Is he like an old Jordan Peterson? A Rorschach test that says "water is wet"?

Tolstoy wrote that Nietzsche wrote nothing insightful, that had he been alive earlier no one would have paid attention to his writings, that he and his prominence is a sign of intellectual decay. Trotsky wrote that the reason why Nietzsche's followers can be so radically different from each other is because they take what they want from Nietzsche and ignore whatever else is inconvenient for them. When someone points out the terrible things Nietzsche wrote, the response is either a) you're misinterpreting him! or b) his personal views are not reflective of his philosophy! or even c) you can't critique the genius of Nietzsche because he has rejected reason!

Does this strike anyone else as eerily similar to Jordan Peterson and his rabid followers?
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 No.3566

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>>1621
I’m reading on the Genealogy of morals right now, I have some questions.
>Nietzsche says he’s against egalitarianism that reduces men to common, and power = good because it started this way in history and they establish themselves as good solely through themselves. the weak have slave morality in that identifies its oppressors as evil then subsequently themselves as good.

What in the goddamn bootlicking bullshit is this? I somewhat looked fondly of Nietzsche before I actually read him. And the way he talks about race lmao
It really does explain the modern far right-incel mentality though. Should I keep reading or find something better?
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 No.3568

>>3566
What’s your contextual history with the rest of the western cannon? The dude can seem really strange and extreme if you don’t understand the systems and theories his entire philosophy is railing against. Just like most philosophers, he has interesting points and is a product of his time. If you aren’t enjoying it or really getting it, then I’d set him aside for a while.
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 No.3575

>>3566
>the weak have slave morality in that identifies its oppressors as evil then subsequently themselves as good
slave morality is a real thing and Marxists ought to oppose it. examples include christianity and pacifism
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 No.3578

Has anyone read that critique by G. Lukacs?
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 No.3580

>>3568
ik, it‘s just that out of the three masters of suspicions, his work is the most disappointing. More so o as I used to like him the most before I read any of them.
>>3575
>Who can guarantee that modern democracy, still more modern anarchy, and indeed that tendency to the "Commune," the most primitive form of society, which is now common to all the Socialists in Europe, does not in its real essence signify a monstrous reversion—and that the conquering and master race—the Aryan race, is not also becoming inferior physiologically?)
> Let us submit to the facts; that the people have triumphed—or the slaves, or the populace, or the herd, or whatever name you care to give them—if this has happened through the Jews, so be it! In that case no nation ever had a greater mission in the world's history. The 'masters' have been done away with; the morality of the vulgar man has triumphed. This triumph may also be called a blood-poisoning (it has mutually fused the races)—I do not dispute it; but there is no doubt but that this intoxication has succeeded.

Feels like a bunch of morality of power and nazi-babble. Also I feel like Marx already formulated his ideas but better with his theory on ideology & religion..


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 No.975[Reply]

Here we post our fields of expertise, in hopes to share the knowledge with our fellow comrades. Ask any questions to comrades in this thread regarding their skills, and post your own. Maybe we can create a chat eventually to teach things at a more in depth level.

Me: Native English speaker, very good at math, okay at similar sciences, and computer science, can help with music regarding drums/guitar/songwriting etc.

I'm particularly interested in learning Chinese (Mandarin), I've just started learning some basics, if anyone has any advice or resources for learning that would be great.
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 No.3537

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>>3529
What do you mean by 'get started' exactly?
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 No.3554

>>3529
Drawing with the right side of the brain and loomis of course.
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 No.3555

I'm a creative media student God help me with a decent level of skill with video editing. I was hoping one day I could email Cockshott to help with the editing in his lecture videos
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 No.3556

>>3555
Just go for it, it seems he's quite responsive. However he seems exceedingly busy so idk how keen he would be to try organise it. Definitely worth a shot however.
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 No.3567

>>3537
Why is this image so attractive?


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 No.3113[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Post audio sources
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 No.3240

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_Adolph Reed On Identity Politics, Reparations, And Removing Monuments_

&ltWhat politics is and what it isn't and what apolitical movement does look like and what it doesn't look like and how many things look like they are meaningful political action or are treated as if they are a meaningful political action but really aren't and can kind of delude us into thinking that we are making progress when we aren't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DirAIkDJ7H8
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 No.3241

>>3237
can you say what text to speech software you used for narrating the texts ?
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 No.3242

move thread to /edu/ ?
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 No.3484

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIEFD257E4U
Michael Parenti conspiracy and class power
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 No.3564

>>3484
what Marx meant with Religion is the opium of the masses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4aKI66j9hw


 No.3099[Reply]

A lifetime of undiagnosed learning disorders, educational neglect and unproductive escapism has reduced my grey matter into a vestigial organ. I essentially missed out on the entirety of highschool but was able to work with what I had and managed to get a GED plus a tiny smattering of community college. But I started to hit the brainlet wall again and I realized how spotty and full of holes my whole foundation is. I was too ashamed at the time to ask for help and I no longer have access to professional educators so I might as well ask an anonymous imageboard.

Do y'all have any good resources or books for someone looking to restart their education from basics? Assume that I don't know anything aside from basic literacy and numbers. Maybe not even that.
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 No.3104

>>3099
Did you look into khanacademy's courses? They have math from the 1st grade all the way to the high school and college level as well as any other topic commonly taught in school

Also check out this https://4chan-science.fandom.com/wiki/Mathematics#Precalculus
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 No.3105

>>3099
Try Howard Zinn's People's History of the United States ( https://www.historyisaweapon.com/zinnapeopleshistory.html ) It's easy to read and great at presenting at history from the point of view of the average person.
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 No.3106

>>3099
It really helps if you specify what you're interested in (both in the sense of what entices you and what you think it would be useful for you to learn). "General education" is a meme outside of acquiring the most basic foundations. IMO it's better to pick something concrete and go for it
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 No.3109

>>3102
>>3104
>>3105
Thank you very much. I will definitely check these out. I appreciate the time and effort you've taken to help me out, no matter how small. I even appreciate maths is fun's non-threatening child-friendly aesthetic.
>>3106
Thanks for your guidance. To say that I've been unfocused is an understatement. So I have bits of an education here and there. I really enjoyed the history courses I took as an adult (mainly ancient history) because the professor was at least engaging and the content didn't have too many dates or dead people to remember. I also never really paid much attention in science. I'm not a flat-earther or anything but past a certain point I just don't really understand how or why the world functions.
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 No.3552

>How to Read a Book
>Atomic Habits
>Make it Stick
>Deep Work

These create a foundation for consumption of information. Read these so that everything you read subsequently will be effectively absorbed. After that it depends on your interests. Like the other anon said, A People's History of the U.S. is a great start, but it's written with the assumption that you know the general U.S. propaganda history. How to Read a Book has a great list of books of the western cannon to read. It all really depends on your interests.


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 No.3545[Reply]

Learn to use the catalog:
>>1677
>>1734


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 No.1118[Reply]

/Leftypol/ didn't bite, let's see if /edu/ acctually might read something.

>Read capital and complimentary theory.

>No! Really, READ capital and complimentary theory.
>No, not like that!
>Ok basically read this quote down below by fucking Karl Marx.
>And at least read the text on point 1 down below.
>Why?
> To understand why your current party isn't even being shut down or disturbed by the Porky Police.
>You are in your current state, totally harmless.
>Let's not keep it that way.

"It is all the more clear what we have to accomplish at present: I am referring to ruthless criticism of all that exists, ruthless both in the sense of not being afraid of the results it arrives at and in the sense of being just as little afraid of conflict with the powers that be. Therefore I am not in favour of raising any dogmatic banner." - Karl Marx

1:
Post too long. Click here to view the full text.
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 No.1199

bump, props cus scientific socialism.
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 No.1205

Michael Parenti Videos in youtube
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 No.1292

Huh OP that's Robert Kurz in the pic, have you read him?

https://libcom.org/history/expropriation-time-robert-kurz
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 No.3547

This thread should have been called "Critique of labor" or "Critique of the value form".
Bump nonetheless.


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